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The transfer portal and NIL have lessened my interest in college sports. Couple that with Dukes’ struggles and I don’t follow the team as closely as I once did. But the main reason I don’t post are the posters who have to be right. I have no problem with differences of opinion. But some on here have to always be right, can’t stand an opposing view and resort to attacking anyone who challenges their self proclaimed authority. I’m not that thin skinned but it’s just not worth it to get into with them - over basketball. For anyone else following along or who may have been offended by my “shot”, it wasn’t a shot. For context, in a couple posts before mine in another thread, posters’ backgrounds were being discussed. My point was that for the most part someone's “credentials” shouldn’t matter. Maybe the opinion of a ref on a call, a coach, on Xs and Os, or an ex-player, on playing college ball, should carry more weight. But everyone on this board is entitled to his opinion regardless of his credentials. Mr Basketball, you might not want to let Steel Bowl know you played basketball. He will include you and take an unnecessary shot at you before commenting!! I have no credentials. I don’t coach. Don’t referee 6 nights a week. Never played college ball. I’m just a college basketball fan. The program I root the hardest for and follow the closest is Duquesne. The frustration of Duquesne fans is understandable. But if we are going to talk about reality. Fordham is the better team. Not 27 points better, but better. The better team usually wins. That’s not being out-coached. That’s the better team winning. Duquesne can beat Fordham. But would have to play much better than it did at anytime today. Even early. The officiating did not cost Duquesne the game. The team’s play cost it any chance at winning. But officiating can and often does affect the outcome. Refs do not intentionally favor a team. But sometimes their proclivities do. Teams have to adjust to how a game is being called. If they can. Today, I think the game was called differently after the T. The crowd got into it and close calls seemed to go against the Dukes. Part of that was the Dukes desperate and poor play. But part seemed to be the refs. Whether they got caught up in the momentum swing, like at Richmond. Or wanted to control the game so nothing else happened, it seemed to change. It’s not deliberate bias. But it seems to happen. Better teams find ways to overcome. The Dukes didn’t and got blown out by a better team. Last post on this topic. Stew, For a little more context - Schmidt was 54-68 and 29-47 in the A10 after 4 seasons with a CBI bid that year. Many on this board probably would called for him to be fired. The next year brought an NCAA bid. Then Nicholson graduated and Bona did not qualify for the A10 Tournament going 14-15 and 7-9. RE never got the NCAA bid. 2 CBIs, 1 NIT. But his winning percentages after year 6 were better. People called for his head. Doing some quick math and using Wikipedia it was not until year 10 when Schmidt had a winning record and year 12 a winning record in the A10. That argument doesn't hold water in the case of whether KD should stay or go. Stew, For a little more context - Schmidt was 54-68 and 29-47 in the A10 after 4 seasons with a CBI bid that year. Many on this board probably would called for him to be fired. The next year brought an NCAA bid. Then Nicholson graduated and Bona did not qualify for the A10 Tournament going 14-15 and 7-9. RE never got the NCAA bid. 2 CBIs, 1 NIT. But his winning percentages after year 6 were better. People called for his head. Doing some quick math and using Wikipedia it was not until year 10 when Schmidt had a winning record and year 12 a winning record in the A10. I really enjoy the at least once annual we need a new coach thread. I agree that Rotroff got better. But Rotroff certainly did not avoid injuries. He suffered a number of injuries that undoubtedly hampered his development. According to NCAA numbers 4+players per team have transferred over the past few years. Quick count, since 2018 Duquesne had 27. So, higher than average. But that 27 includes everyone, including Tarin Smith, Kellon Taylor, Frankie Hughes, TDM, and Weathers. Whether you count those guys or not I would not say call DU’s numbers atrocious. Bona has 10 guys in the portal. They ain’t all seniors. Facts really get in the way sometimes. Not sure where to begin. I don't know what's going on. When the mob has lit the torches, I know it’s too late for talking. But here are a few of the reasons why I'm not in the "fire Dambrot Camp”. Wait a minute. I’m confused. I thought the problem was that Dambrot was “too old school“ and “hard on guys“, which was causing kids to leave. But now we know, from a couple of lines in a fluff piece article based on one ex-players “feelings“ that the problem is lack of structure? IMO the A10 is not that big a step up from the MAC. There are years the top tier A10 teams are better than anyone in the MAC. But I don’t think any difference in the conferences or coaching is enough that Dambrot is over his head. I do think recruiting to DU is tougher than recruiting to Akron once he got Akron rolling. So maybe, maybe, the recruiting has been tougher than Dambrot expected. But I disagree with the “his staff can’t recruit, he can’t evaluate players” line. He had too many good players and teams at Akron and found enough good players that he got here for me to buy into that. Yes too many guys have left for my liking. But I’m not sure what Dambrot could have done about that. I have heard the same rumors others have but have no inside info to know why certain guys left. Maybe Dambrot had good reason to part ways with some. One thing cannot be disputed transfer numbers are all over D1 basketball and the portal has to be a big part of why. I think there’s reasons why more guys leave the DUs than more established programs. If a guy is good enough to go to a tourney bound team, how do you stop him? If a guys a role player or clearly behind a guy, why would he stay? He can transfer down and play right away. And, maybe if your Dambrot you want a bench guy to go so you can use the schollie. I think it’s fair to question why DU didn’t have guys ready to step in for Hughes, Weathers, and TDM. Maybe the guys expected to were problems. Based on the way this team has played I understand questioning whether this staff will be able to use the portal well enough to replace guys the way teams are going to have to. But I’m not ready to conclude they won’t be able to. So, I’m still here supporting Dambrot. My comments were not meant as an indictment on DU for not spending enough. It was really meant as a dose of reality for the money spent on college athletics are and where DU fits in. It was mainly for those that think finally paying a competitive rate to the coach and trying to narrow the gap on facilities, etc. is going to allow DU to out recruit the Purdues for kids like Morton. Every 4 or 5 years many of the same reasons that were raised 4 or 5 years earlier come up for making a coaching change. I always have the same questions. Since Manning retired Duquesne has had 10 coaches. Their combined record is 525-730, with 1 NCAA tournament appearance and 4 NITs. In 13 seasons at Akron Dambrot won 305 games and went to 3 NCAAs and 5 NITs. I’m not sure if that makes me a Dambrot believer. If it does, so be it. But it does make me realize the problems have been much deeper than the coach. Rice to G’town. I get that speculating and tossing out one’s opinions makes these boards fun for some. But when the stuff being thrown around may end up being unfounded criticism of the coach, include guesses about college kids, or both, I don’t get it. I don’t follow the recruiting as close as some on here so maybe I’m wrong. But all we know right now is 3 guys are leaving early. Yeah from the size of the incoming class more must be. Then again I’ve never been sure who all is on scholarship or who coming in might not be. But anyway, of the 3 known to be leaving, nothing jumps out to say anyone was forced out. I hate using the known guys and guessing because we don’t know the full story of anyone. But of the 3, 1 missed the last season and has 1 year left and 1 supposedly isn’t looking to play anywhere. To use that to criticize coach for being cutthroat doesn’t seem fair. I’m not for forcing out a guy who wants to stay, and isn’t a problem. But I see a difference between that and a coach being honest with a player about where he stands and letting him make a decision on what’s best for him. Maybe that’s all that happened with the 3rd guy. Let’s look at the 2 most recent PG Fab 5s.
CONGRATULATIONS COACH DRU JOYCE III
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Men's Basketball » 46 Years and Counting » 3/18/2023 6:56 pm
For you, Wildwood, I’m not annoyed by you. I find it amusing that you, who might be the person who most often tries to bully or berate others, are so very sensitive that you go looking for and then complain about “unnecessary” and “unprovoked shots” at you. You’ve called other posters incompetent and immature and their opinions ridiculous. But I personally attacked you. That’s rich. I find it sad that you seem to take pride in “addressing” in that way anyone who you perceive as attacking you. But by making that statement you pretty much prove my point about you trying to intimidate anyone who disagrees with you.
After a few comments, I’ll let you have the last word on this. But please don’t think you've bullied me into silence. I just don’t care enough about winning some argument that you think we’re having.
You don’t like Dambrot. You’ve said it. We all get it. Some people think he’s doing a good job. It’s called a difference of opinion. As the saying goes, everyone is entitled to their opinions but not their own facts. Maybe you don’t understand the difference. But some of your facts aren’t facts.
Here’s a few examples. Stating things like - Dambrot can only recruit MAC level players. Dambrot can’t evaluate talent. Dambrot may have been a good MAC coach but is over his head in the A10. Those are your opinions and you are entitled to them. But when you refuse to give Dambrot any credit for anything, it getMen's Basketball » 46 Years and Counting » 3/18/2023 1:03 pm
Wildwood13 wrote:
I didn’t know referees who pontificate could be so sensitive. Men's Basketball » Keith Dambrot Future » 3/15/2023 10:53 pm
The reality is that this isn’t the 1950s when small, city schools, especially those in the northeast had advantages like more local talent and the ability to recruit black players. It’s not the late ‘60s-early 70s before the conference realignments and big TV money. When those changes were happening Duquesne didn’t react or do much to keep up with the times. When the Big East was created the Dukes weren’t invited. They were stuck in a second tier conference, in a third rate facility and on a shoestring budget.
The reality is Duquesne was just clawing its way to a middle of the pack program in the A10 with paying coaches more, the Coop, and some other long needed changes when the landscape changed again. The portal and the NIL aren’t made to help the Duquesne’s. The only way they don’t kill the Duquesne’s is if they find a way to adapt. Duquesne’s collective will never have the money the big boys will have. But maybe it can have enough money to compete with the better mid majors. Maybe that keeps Duquesne in the hunt for some players or keeps a few guys from transferring out. Maybe not. But instead of trying, let’s not take part in the NIL. Instead let’s criticize the coaching staff for recruiting “MAC” players and for “player turnover.”
The reality is the NCAA is skewed more and more to favor the P5 and big time programs. Look at who gets the at large bids. I know they lost. But 27-7 regular season MAC champ Toledo loses its conf championship game and gets to go on the road to play 17-15 8th place Michigan in the NIT while WVU 8th in its conf with a losing conf record goes to the NCAAs. At least Toledo went to the NIT. MayMen's Basketball » Game Thread - Fordham University Rams (A) » 3/04/2023 7:13 pm
Men's Basketball » Who's the next coach? Dambrot never got to NIT/NCAA in his 6 Years! » 2/05/2023 12:58 pm
My first post was in response to a post about tradition. Overall record and postseason play, since DU’s last NCAA bid, Bona has been better. 8 coaches since 1974, 3 with losing records. That includes Solomon who was HC after the welder scandal. During the same time, DU has had 10, with 3 having winning records, including KD.
Schmidt took over Bona went it was still reeling from the scandal. No one at DU had to deal with something like that. Solomon couldn’t get them out of that. Schmidt did. He deserves credit for that.
But IMO, many on this board, and the DU admin, give too much credit to and place too much blame on the HC. Case in point it’s the HC’s fault attendance is bad. Sure winning would help with that. But call tradition, call the program, call it institutional, there has had to be problems at DU that has caused every coach since Red “to fail.” It is impossible that every hire has been a bad one.
I’m still not sure what measure people use for success. Apparently not W/L percentage, not postseason bids. Maybe NCAA bids. That, for me is the ultimate goal. Schmidt has delivered those and no on at DU has. Again, credit to him.
But now the number of transfers is a measure, too? It seems it whatever supports “fire the coach” is the measure. I don’t like the number of transfers. But unless the NCAA changes the rules, roster turnover is just going to be the norm. Bona had 10 guys transfer out before this season. And again, I’ll credit Schmidt that he seems to be able to use the portal well. Based on last year, KD not so well. This year, looks much better.
Men's Basketball » Who's the next coach? Dambrot never got to NIT/NCAA in his 6 Years! » 2/04/2023 8:43 pm
phil95 wrote:SteelBowl wrote:FAM wrote:
Let’s talk about tradition a little. The Bonnies, right?
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Then came along Mark Schmidt, from across the street at Robert Morris. Yes, the Bonnies took a chance but it was the right chance. He is a winner in a place which did not have a proven tradition in a geographical area that is in the middle of nowhere.
Duquesne has tradition and has had better tradition…
Would I trade his record and post season bids for what has happened at DU during that same period? Hell yeah! I am claiming Schmidt isn’t a good coach or doesn’t deserve some of the credit? No. But I am questioning the wisdom of the coaching carousel, how some measure success, and realistic expectations.
In Schmidt's year 4, the Bonnies were on the rise & playing post-season basketball. After KD's year 4, DU was going down, had no chance at playing post-season basketball, & 8 of the 13 scholarship players left. In Schmidt's year 5, the Bonnies went dancing & had an NBA first round draft pick. After KD's year 5 the team finished dead last in the league, had an overall record oMen's Basketball » Who's the next coach? Dambrot never got to NIT/NCAA in his 6 Years! » 2/04/2023 9:34 am
FAM wrote:
Let’s talk about tradition a little. The Bonnies, right?
[url=tel:86-89 - 31-53]86-89 - 31-53[/url]
89-92 - 22-62
[url=tel:92-2001 - 132-131]92-2001 - 132-131[/url]
[url=tel:2001-2003 - 18-27]2001-2003 - 18-27[/url]
[url=tel:03-07 - 24-88]03-07 - 24-88[/url]
Then came along Mark Schmidt, from across the street at Robert Morris. Yes, the Bonnies took a chance but it was the right chance. He is a winner in a place which did not have a proven tradition in a geographical area that is in the middle of nowhere.
Duquesne has tradition and has had better tradition…
Would I trade his record and post season bids for what has happened at DU during that same period? Hell yeah! I am claiming Schmidt isn’t a good coach or doesn’t deserve some of the credit? No. But I am questioning the wisdom of the coaching carousel, how some measure success, and realistic expectations.
Men's Basketball » Who's the next coach? Dambrot never got to NIT/NCAA in his 6 Years! » 1/30/2023 10:49 pm
Regardless of what anyone thinks about Dambrot what makes anyone think hiring a new coach is the answer? How well has that worked out with what, 7 of 10 coaches since Red? That’s saying it worked out with Rice, Carroll, and Everhart (NIT bids, but fired) and has not with Dambrot (who has the highest winning percentage).
Duquesne’s best bet is for Dambrot to have something it can sell as success and stepping aside with Joyce taking over to build on it.
Men's Basketball » What is it you like best of Dambrots tenure? » 1/30/2023 9:54 pm
Still, Rotroff improved because he stayed. TDM, Hughes, and Weathers also improved under Dambrot because they were with him multiple years.
But with the way college basketball is now, we’ll see less of that. We’re going to see few 4 year guys and lots of turnover.
Men's Basketball » Hima in Portal » 5/14/2022 8:11 am
Also according to NCAA, 40% of D1 mens players transfer by end of sophomore year. So, it’s a younger player problem. Bad fit, don’t like the coach, who knows. Whatever the reasons, young players are not sticking with their first program.
My only point with these stats is that IMO blaming Dambrot or even the program is ignoring what is going on everywhere.
I would guess mid-majors, lower budget, and struggling programs have it tougher and probably drive up the numbers. Whether due to a miss on a kid who the coach tells he should move on, a kid not wanting to wait his turn for PT, or a kid being able to move up, my guess is these happen more at the Duquesnes than the Dukes.
I didn’t check for stats to back this up, but I don’t think Dambrot had a huge transfer problem at Akron. What I remember hearing when he was hired was that he had a lot of 3, 4, and 5 year guys. Another reason I’m not jumping to the conclusion he can’t form relationships, etc. If coaching guys hard is a problem and coaches can’t do that any longer without players quitting on them, IMO we have deeper problems than Duquesne or college basketball.
But I agree, if the transfers rules, NIL, and current culture don’t change, coaches and programs better change. Men's Basketball » Hima in Portal » 5/12/2022 8:39 pm
But let’s go with this seniors don’t count thing. So then TDM, Weathers, and Hughes leaving, isn’t on Dambrot.
Not sure what Boeheim’s resume has to do with the transfer issue. Boeheim is one of the most successful coaches in NCAA history. But guess what, he had 2 sophomores and 2 freshmen transfer last year and 2 more freshmen and a junior this year. So, has he lost he ability to relate to players, is he too hard on them, or just too stubborn? I mean he always plays that zone and never adapts to his players. Or maybe he can’t judge talent and either recruited guys who weren’t good enough or didn’t see how good guys were and let them leave.
Or maybe guys transfer for lots of reasons and will keep doing it until the NCAA changes the rules or kids realize the grass isn’t always greener and stick it out. Men's Basketball » Hima in Portal » 5/11/2022 8:38 pm
I’m not going to dump on a college kid. So, I will just say Hima has a long way to go to be a contributor. I hope he gets there. He’s 7 foot. Ain’t a lot of them. Certainly worth the chance. Maybe that’s the reason Syracuse offered. But to jump to the conclusion that because he signed with Syracuse means he would have succeeded here is a leap.
Also a huge leap to say his leaving was because Dambrot can’t form relationships, blah, blah, blah. If I’m not mistaken Dambrot’s whole staff played for him. Must have been able to form relationships at one time. He must have forgotten how to bond with his players. Right? That has to be it. I’m not saying he doesn’t have to adapt. He might. A lot of coaches probably need to adapt.
Maybe Mark Schmidt needs to change. He either can’t relate to today’s player or he’s forgotten how to do so. Right? I’m mean damn near his whole team left Bona. It has to be his fault! Right, guys?
And speaking of Schmidt, how did Dambrot out recruit the master recruiter for Carney? Or is that a bad signing? I’m mean Dambrot can’t judge talent. So, I guess since Schmidt offered Carney, too, that would mean Schmidt can judge talent.
Maybe, just maybe, kids decide for reasons other than the head coach. Maybe Carney didn’t choose Dambrot over Schmidt. Maybe there was more to it. Maybe he just wanted to be closer to home.Who knows? But if there’s more to it than the coach, that would mean many of you are wrong when you blame Dambrot personally every time he is supposedly out recruited.
And maybe there is more to it when a kid transfers. And maybe the portal and not having to sit just makes it that much easier for the kids and that much harder to coach a kid up.
Which brings me back to Hima. Syracuse and Boeheim may be a better fit. The 2-3 zone, change of scenery, who knows what else. But they may not be. Either way maybe the kid will work harder and be more coachable beMen's Basketball » Team has checked out » 2/21/2022 12:23 pm
Some will say I'm making excuses. I never followed Akron, but when he was hired, I don't remember hearing about this kind of problem there. If it was, I guess one could question the hire. But if it wasn't, I find it kind of odd that all of a sudden, he has some character flaw.
Is he really no longer able to relate to the players? Maybe the portal and ease of transferring just make it that much harder to run "an old-school” program. Is he taking chances on kids that he otherwise wouldn't recruit because DU is a tougher sale than he thought or is he just making bad decisions on some kids thinking he will get them to buy in? Maybe having guys compete for playing time is a problem players can't handle or is creating what some think is a cutthroat culture? Keep in mind just about every kid in D1 was a star somewhere. Maybe they feel entitled to playing time. Last year's .500 season was disappointing with the talent I thought they had. This year, despite the "best team” comment I had no idea what to expect, except I did not expect this. Is it the losing that is causing problems or making problems much worse? Were kids willing to put up with an old-school coach or competitive culture or lack of PT when they were winning but won't when they're losing?
I have no idea and hate even speculating.Men's Basketball » Team has checked out » 2/21/2022 9:18 am
When Dambrot was hired nearly everyone thought it was a good, if not great, hire. The reasons were 1) his record at Akron, 2) his Duquesne connection, and 3) he was supposedly the top candidate when Everhart was let go. Nos. 2 and 3 were probably more “fluff” but they suggested he was a good “fit”. Whether a guy who was successful one place will be the right fit at another is always a crapshoot. But No. 1 suggested he was well-qualified - he won a lot, he won regularly, and he did so at a lower budget mid-major- it sure looked like he could win here.
Based on that success at Akron, I’m not sold on the he can't "evaluate/recruit/coach" criticisms. I just don't think a guy could win like he did without being able to do those 3 things. The MAC and A-10 aren’t that different. It’s fun as a fan to question sets, and use of TOs, and substitution patterns. But I don’t think I know better than a D1 coach with his record. Maybe some of you feel you do. I just don’t.
Because I don’t think the conferences are that different, I think you can win in the A10 with good MAC players. You might not be Dayton, but you can play with them and even beat them. People raise the talent of the guys who left, to criticize player retention. People suggest if they had stayed, DU would be challenging for the A10. Maybe. But those same people want to overlook that this staff found and signed those guys in the first place.
I agree that there is reason to be concerned about the rate of players leaving. What I don't agree with is using rumors, gossip, and innuendo to speculate that it's all the coach’s fault. His responsibility, yes. His fault, I don’t know. If there is some problem with the culture of the program, that’s something for the administration to address. Not a message board. If you trust the AMen's Basketball » ESPN ARTICLE BROTHERLY LOVE WEATHERS BROTHERS SMU » 2/19/2022 2:11 pm
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Men's Basketball » I'm here to Win Championships » 2/07/2022 11:15 am
I don't disagree that some assistant from some program would take a $1m a year job. But IMO many top assistants at a P5 or a top 25 program are likely to wait for a higher paying job or a "better job" before risking their career on turning around DU. You can find examples of guys taking lower-paying, lesser-profile jobs, like Gary who was an asst here taking Mercer. But, for perspective, Capel who was an assistant from a major program makes $3.5m at Pitt. Lloyd, from Gonzaga, has a $15.5 5 year deal at Arizona.Men's Basketball » I'm here to Win Championships » 2/06/2022 9:31 pm
What makes some think a different coach is going to change the results? What should the coach have done to recruit “better players”? How is DU supposed to out recruit better programs? Can DU hire someone “better” than the current coach? Unless DU comes up with crazy money to somehow lure an established big name HC who can recruit on his name alone, which isn’t going to happen, who could be hired that would make the difference? After nearly 50 years of mostly losing, what up and coming coach, “lower tier” head coach , or big program assistant would take the job? Especially since, if you include Dambrot, 10 straight coaches will have failed to win here.
DU did increase the coaches’ pay, up the recruiting budget, and upgrade the facilities. No argument KD has the benefit of a better program in that sense than those before him and it’s fair to have expected better results. I wish some of the prior coaches, especially Everhart, had the benefit of the upgrades. I don’t say this to feed into an “Everhart firing” or “Amodio was a jerk” debate, but to point out the upgrades were needed and late in coming.
Some facts about DU’s new commitment to the program - from what I could find, DU is still middle of the pack in the A10 in mens basketball budget. DU’s budget is well behind Dayton and SLU. A $1m salary for a HC is also middle of the pack. Schmidt, a living coaching legend to some on this board, was apparently making about $850k before his latest extension. BTW, his and KD’s D1 career winning percentages are damn near the same. The renovations to The Coop, which IMO were well done, decreased capacity making it the second or third smallest arena in the A10. UD, you know, the school KD is a defeatist for saying he can’t out recruit one on one, already had the largest and Men's Basketball » Where are all you Dambrot believers » 1/16/2022 12:17 pm
Incidentally, 99 of DU’s wins and 1 of the NITs were under Everhart. My suspicion is that some of those in the Dambrot is a con club probably thought Everhart couldn’t recruit and believed they knew more about coaching than he did. Basketball Recruiting » DU Shows Interest In Citadel Transfer Kaiden Rice » 4/17/2021 8:57 pm
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Men's Basketball » Our recruiting is worrisome » 3/30/2020 9:38 pm
One is a big time football recruit so he shouldn’t count.
Morton named twice, going Big 10. Puff Johnson, ACC. Warfield, ASun. At one point DU recruited all 3. Another is a freshman with ACC and B10 offers. At least until DU wins consistently, KD has little shot at guys with ACC and Big 10 offers.
The others went America East, Ivy, JUCO and D3. I don’t like to say things that sound critical of kids chasing their dream of playing college ball. But are your worries not signing guys who went to what most would consider lower level conferences?
As for the comparison to RE, the most important thing in common is that they found ways to win at Duquesne. Something no one other then Mike Rice has done since Red Manning retired.
2018 would include Carmody to ND, a Drexel recruit, Morton, a D2 signee, and Ellis.
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